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	<title>Comments on: Games, a Backward-Looking Medium</title>
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		<title>By: andrew</title>
		<link>http://grandtextauto.org/2007/09/28/games-a-backward-looking-medium/comment-page-1/#comment-134462</link>
		<dc:creator>andrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Oct 2007 03:47:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bitter, I&#039;ll agree that games like &lt;i&gt;GTA:SA&lt;/i&gt; are making good progress towards interactive action stories.  But that&#039;s a pretty narrow slice of the potential of interactive stories.  In such games I&#039;m interacting with or experiencing very little of the things I care about most &#8212; communication between people, domestic life, intimate relationships, and the messiness, nuance and complexity those brings along with them, as I describe &lt;a href=&quot;http://grandtextauto.org/2007/10/18/gtxa-symposium-future-directions/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;.  In interactive stories, I crave the themes and content that constitute the majority of the most important and celebrated TV shows, movies, books, plays, including &lt;i&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://grandtextauto.org/2005/03/13/prayers-for-kane/&quot;&gt;Citizen Kane&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/i&gt;...  Important not because some highfalutin critics say they&#039;re important, but because they are the most important to the population and culture at large.  &lt;i&gt;Pulp Fiction&lt;/i&gt;, or &lt;i&gt;The Sopranos&lt;/i&gt;, for example, are successful because of their characters and language, not their action.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bitter, I&#8217;ll agree that games like <i>GTA:SA</i> are making good progress towards interactive action stories.  But that&#8217;s a pretty narrow slice of the potential of interactive stories.  In such games I&#8217;m interacting with or experiencing very little of the things I care about most &mdash; communication between people, domestic life, intimate relationships, and the messiness, nuance and complexity those brings along with them, as I describe <a href="http://grandtextauto.org/2007/10/18/gtxa-symposium-future-directions/" rel="nofollow">here</a>.  In interactive stories, I crave the themes and content that constitute the majority of the most important and celebrated TV shows, movies, books, plays, including <i><a href="http://grandtextauto.org/2005/03/13/prayers-for-kane/">Citizen Kane</a></i>&#8230;  Important not because some highfalutin critics say they&#8217;re important, but because they are the most important to the population and culture at large.  <i>Pulp Fiction</i>, or <i>The Sopranos</i>, for example, are successful because of their characters and language, not their action.</p>
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		<title>By: BitterOldPunk</title>
		<link>http://grandtextauto.org/2007/09/28/games-a-backward-looking-medium/comment-page-1/#comment-133638</link>
		<dc:creator>BitterOldPunk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Oct 2007 20:52:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Looking backwards&quot; and appropriating the techniques of past artistic media is a necessary step for a new expressive medium finding its aesthetic footing. And we will soon reach a point of &quot;good enough&quot; in gaming graphics -- graphics hardware and software toolsets will be sufficiently robust to handle anything a designer can throw at them. Then we&#039;ll see whether sophisticated story-telling is something games can do well. I&#039;m not sure it is, and I&#039;m not sure that&#039;s what designers should be shooting for (although I&#039;ll be in line for Mass Effect the day it comes out, so color me conflicted). Games are better at building a space within which a player builds her own narrative.

I had my own personal &quot;Citizen Kane&quot; video game epiphany playing GTA:SA. Trying to elude a swarming army of cops, I crashed an armored car through a roadblock, took a couple of bulletss for my efforts, jacked a police car, fled the city, abandoned the car in the woods and ran on foot until I eluded a helicopter and found a dirt bike, then lost myself on the rural backroads. I topped a hill as the last of the warning stars blinked out and the last siren dopplered off into silence. I turned on the &quot;radio&quot;. Willie Nelson. Before me was a ramshackled barn bathed in moonlight. Crickets chirped. Willie sang. The transition from frantic urban mayhem to placid countryside had happened in less than two or three minutes, and the whole pursuit took less than ten. But in that time the game had taken me from gleeful violence to frightened rabbit to clever sneak to grateful survivor. It wrung me out. That THAT song would be on the bike&#039;s &quot;radio&quot; while I happened to be right in front of that barn as the chase was ending wasn&#039;t scripted, it was the happy result of game mechanics interacting with player decisions in the game&#039;s probability space.

That may not be art, yet, but I&#039;ll leave that for experts to decide. I feel like it&#039;s pretty damn close, though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Looking backwards&#8221; and appropriating the techniques of past artistic media is a necessary step for a new expressive medium finding its aesthetic footing. And we will soon reach a point of &#8220;good enough&#8221; in gaming graphics &#8212; graphics hardware and software toolsets will be sufficiently robust to handle anything a designer can throw at them. Then we&#8217;ll see whether sophisticated story-telling is something games can do well. I&#8217;m not sure it is, and I&#8217;m not sure that&#8217;s what designers should be shooting for (although I&#8217;ll be in line for Mass Effect the day it comes out, so color me conflicted). Games are better at building a space within which a player builds her own narrative.</p>
<p>I had my own personal &#8220;Citizen Kane&#8221; video game epiphany playing GTA:SA. Trying to elude a swarming army of cops, I crashed an armored car through a roadblock, took a couple of bulletss for my efforts, jacked a police car, fled the city, abandoned the car in the woods and ran on foot until I eluded a helicopter and found a dirt bike, then lost myself on the rural backroads. I topped a hill as the last of the warning stars blinked out and the last siren dopplered off into silence. I turned on the &#8220;radio&#8221;. Willie Nelson. Before me was a ramshackled barn bathed in moonlight. Crickets chirped. Willie sang. The transition from frantic urban mayhem to placid countryside had happened in less than two or three minutes, and the whole pursuit took less than ten. But in that time the game had taken me from gleeful violence to frightened rabbit to clever sneak to grateful survivor. It wrung me out. That THAT song would be on the bike&#8217;s &#8220;radio&#8221; while I happened to be right in front of that barn as the chase was ending wasn&#8217;t scripted, it was the happy result of game mechanics interacting with player decisions in the game&#8217;s probability space.</p>
<p>That may not be art, yet, but I&#8217;ll leave that for experts to decide. I feel like it&#8217;s pretty damn close, though.</p>
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		<title>By: Kotaku</title>
		<link>http://grandtextauto.org/2007/09/28/games-a-backward-looking-medium/comment-page-1/#comment-133623</link>
		<dc:creator>Kotaku</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Oct 2007 18:07:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Games Are A &#039;Backward-Looking Medium&#039;&lt;/strong&gt;

 It&#039;s nothing that hasn&#039;t been noted in a million blog posts over the years, but in an op-ed piece in the New York Times, Daniel Radosh is saying it again. Too much emphasis on graphics, not enough emphasis on...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Games Are A &#8216;Backward-Looking Medium&#8217;</strong></p>
<p> It&#8217;s nothing that hasn&#8217;t been noted in a million blog posts over the years, but in an op-ed piece in the New York Times, Daniel Radosh is saying it again. Too much emphasis on graphics, not enough emphasis on&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Ben Humberston</title>
		<link>http://grandtextauto.org/2007/09/28/games-a-backward-looking-medium/comment-page-1/#comment-131688</link>
		<dc:creator>Ben Humberston</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Sep 2007 02:13:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well put! Understanding that almost all genres of games are derivatives of the &quot;mastery&quot; desire is the first step to broadening their ability to affect us. Declaring the current types of games to be the entire spectrum of types is similar to seeing visible light and declaring it to be the only type of electromagnetic wave. There is a large, mostly untapped spectrum that will certainly elicit more than a competitive or &quot;winning&quot; mood. I hope that this fact is on the cusp of truly being discovered by the video games industry. If it is, then perhaps we&#039;ll take the step from the Wii&#039;s &quot;everybody can play because it&#039;s simple&quot; to &quot;everybody can play because it addresses wide emotional ranges&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well put! Understanding that almost all genres of games are derivatives of the &#8220;mastery&#8221; desire is the first step to broadening their ability to affect us. Declaring the current types of games to be the entire spectrum of types is similar to seeing visible light and declaring it to be the only type of electromagnetic wave. There is a large, mostly untapped spectrum that will certainly elicit more than a competitive or &#8220;winning&#8221; mood. I hope that this fact is on the cusp of truly being discovered by the video games industry. If it is, then perhaps we&#8217;ll take the step from the Wii&#8217;s &#8220;everybody can play because it&#8217;s simple&#8221; to &#8220;everybody can play because it addresses wide emotional ranges&#8221;.</p>
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