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	<title>Comments on: A Problem with the Free Pie, and Debian Women</title>
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		<title>By: mark</title>
		<link>http://grandtextauto.org/2005/11/22/debian-women/comment-page-1/#comment-77422</link>
		<dc:creator>mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Nov 2005 10:10:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can say that every single person I knew in high school (1996-2000) had a computer, but there was a huge gender difference in what we chose to do with it in our free time.  Everyone (male or female) used it for schoolwork (papers, etc.), most used it for talking on AIM and general webbrowsing, but only males (with a handful of exceptions) seemed to treat it as a hobbyist end-in-itself rather than as a tool to do something else.  Of course, most males didn&#039;t tinker much either---only the geekier ones did---but it was still a far larger proportion.

It would be interesting to get some hard numbers and compare the two situations further, but if I recall correctly the results of a survey from a year or so ago, a large proportion of Wikipedia contributors are also male, despite it requiring relatively little technical knowledge to edit it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can say that every single person I knew in high school (1996-2000) had a computer, but there was a huge gender difference in what we chose to do with it in our free time.  Everyone (male or female) used it for schoolwork (papers, etc.), most used it for talking on AIM and general webbrowsing, but only males (with a handful of exceptions) seemed to treat it as a hobbyist end-in-itself rather than as a tool to do something else.  Of course, most males didn&#8217;t tinker much either&#8212;only the geekier ones did&#8212;but it was still a far larger proportion.</p>
<p>It would be interesting to get some hard numbers and compare the two situations further, but if I recall correctly the results of a survey from a year or so ago, a large proportion of Wikipedia contributors are also male, despite it requiring relatively little technical knowledge to edit it.</p>
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		<title>By: Ted Leung on the air</title>
		<link>http://grandtextauto.org/2005/11/22/debian-women/comment-page-1/#comment-77419</link>
		<dc:creator>Ted Leung on the air</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Nov 2005 07:28:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;How I got into computers&lt;/strong&gt;

 It&#039;s nice to see that Nat Torkington followed up on Julie&#039;s wish for interviews with people who became hackers (the good kind) as children (although I&#039;ve noticed that a number of folks who were interviewed started a bit later in life).   I don&#039;t k...</description>
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<p> It&#8217;s nice to see that Nat Torkington followed up on Julie&#8217;s wish for interviews with people who became hackers (the good kind) as children (although I&#8217;ve noticed that a number of folks who were interviewed started a bit later in life).   I don&#8217;t k&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Libby</title>
		<link>http://grandtextauto.org/2005/11/22/debian-women/comment-page-1/#comment-77225</link>
		<dc:creator>Libby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Nov 2005 17:58:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, that&#039;s sad.  It makes me want to contribute to Debian just to pull up the percentage a tiny bit!  ^_^   I actually do like Linux a lot.  Too bad I can&#039;t program.... :(

&lt;i&gt;Perhaps it’s simply because young women don’t have their own computers?&lt;/i&gt;

Nah, most girls I know have tons of computer time.  They just spend it on AIM.  Or playing flash games.  My geekier friends (anime fans) like free MMOs like Maple Story and Runescape.  I guess they just aren&#039;t interested in something you have to pay for, not when you can get all the fun stuff (collecting different outfits and weapons, selling stuff, chatting) in the free ones.  Grown women with jobs will probably be more willing to pay money for better graphics and gameplay and all that.  Maybe that&#039;s the reason for the gap?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, that&#8217;s sad.  It makes me want to contribute to Debian just to pull up the percentage a tiny bit!  ^_^   I actually do like Linux a lot.  Too bad I can&#8217;t program&#8230;. :(</p>
<p><i>Perhaps it’s simply because young women don’t have their own computers?</i></p>
<p>Nah, most girls I know have tons of computer time.  They just spend it on AIM.  Or playing flash games.  My geekier friends (anime fans) like free MMOs like Maple Story and Runescape.  I guess they just aren&#8217;t interested in something you have to pay for, not when you can get all the fun stuff (collecting different outfits and weapons, selling stuff, chatting) in the free ones.  Grown women with jobs will probably be more willing to pay money for better graphics and gameplay and all that.  Maybe that&#8217;s the reason for the gap?</p>
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		<title>By: Greg Wilson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Greg Wilson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Nov 2005 00:35:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://insanecats.com/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Michelle Levesque&lt;/a&gt; and I wrote about this depressing statistic last year in &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.sdmagazine.com&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Software Development&lt;/a&gt; magazine.  The responses to our article (which is on-line at http://www.third-bit.com/~gvwilson/papers/OpenSourceColdShoulder.pdf) on Slashdot and the Apache developers&#039; list were, well, also depressing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://insanecats.com/" rel="nofollow">Michelle Levesque</a> and I wrote about this depressing statistic last year in <a href="http://www.sdmagazine.com" rel="nofollow">Software Development</a> magazine.  The responses to our article (which is on-line at <a href="http://www.third-bit.com/~gvwilson/papers/OpenSourceColdShoulder.pdf)" rel="nofollow">http://www.third-bit.com/~gvwilson/papers/OpenSourceColdShoulder.pdf)</a> on Slashdot and the Apache developers&#8217; list were, well, also depressing.</p>
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		<title>By: Jill</title>
		<link>http://grandtextauto.org/2005/11/22/debian-women/comment-page-1/#comment-77149</link>
		<dc:creator>Jill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Nov 2005 20:16:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for this interesting write-up, Nick!

I was particularly interested that women get computers so much later than young men do. I hadn&#039;t realised, but Hanna&#039;s quite right that that would make a huge difference. Possibly relatedly: I was surprised to learn from &lt;a href=&quot;http://jilltxt.net/archives/networked_literature/norwegian_net_lit.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Nick Yee&#039;s research&lt;/a&gt; that while something like 90% of young players of WoW are male, the gender balance is much more even (40/60, I think, sorry, too tired to check right now but it&#039;s linked above) for players in their mid-twenties and older. Perhaps it&#039;s simply because young women don&#039;t have their own computers?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for this interesting write-up, Nick!</p>
<p>I was particularly interested that women get computers so much later than young men do. I hadn&#8217;t realised, but Hanna&#8217;s quite right that that would make a huge difference. Possibly relatedly: I was surprised to learn from <a href="http://jilltxt.net/archives/networked_literature/norwegian_net_lit.html" rel="nofollow">Nick Yee&#8217;s research</a> that while something like 90% of young players of WoW are male, the gender balance is much more even (40/60, I think, sorry, too tired to check right now but it&#8217;s linked above) for players in their mid-twenties and older. Perhaps it&#8217;s simply because young women don&#8217;t have their own computers?</p>
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