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	<title>Comments on: N. Katherine Hayles &#8212; Living in Computational Spaces: Means and Metaphors</title>
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		<title>By: Joe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Oct 2008 19:06:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is wonderful work. 

Despite the simplicity of the axioms governing evolution, the resulting behavior rapidly becomes so chaotic as to be actually unpredictable. It&#039;s because the graph is interfering with itself, a short circuit. If we take this idea a little farther, and apply the cellular automata rules not only to a grid, but to a graph -- no more than a series of points with connecting lines -- a new &#039;type&#039; of rule/behavior become available (transforming the connections between points) and with it a corresponding new kind of complexity. 

Yet even the simple versions of these automata can be considered, in some sense anyway, as isomorphic to the &#039;system&#039; of computation itself. With a little skill in deciding the rules for interpretation, you can use the automata as little calculators for doing any computation you can formalize. Perhaps a little crack opens upon between P and NP, that in using the machine to &#039;theorize&#039; itself, we manage to &#039;think&#039; the boundary of computability -- and so perhaps cross it...? Perhaps. This is the paradox of AI at its heart: as soon as we discover a new algorithm, we understand it, we &#039;work it out&#039; and so it is no longer &#039;truly&#039; AI: we will push this boundary back until we discover either something so simple it cannot be explained further, or something so complex it cannot be explained at all (I&#039;m thinking here of quantum mechanics, for instance.)

Thanks for this!

Joe</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is wonderful work. </p>
<p>Despite the simplicity of the axioms governing evolution, the resulting behavior rapidly becomes so chaotic as to be actually unpredictable. It&#8217;s because the graph is interfering with itself, a short circuit. If we take this idea a little farther, and apply the cellular automata rules not only to a grid, but to a graph &#8212; no more than a series of points with connecting lines &#8212; a new &#8216;type&#8217; of rule/behavior become available (transforming the connections between points) and with it a corresponding new kind of complexity. </p>
<p>Yet even the simple versions of these automata can be considered, in some sense anyway, as isomorphic to the &#8217;system&#8217; of computation itself. With a little skill in deciding the rules for interpretation, you can use the automata as little calculators for doing any computation you can formalize. Perhaps a little crack opens upon between P and NP, that in using the machine to &#8216;theorize&#8217; itself, we manage to &#8216;think&#8217; the boundary of computability &#8212; and so perhaps cross it&#8230;? Perhaps. This is the paradox of AI at its heart: as soon as we discover a new algorithm, we understand it, we &#8216;work it out&#8217; and so it is no longer &#8216;truly&#8217; AI: we will push this boundary back until we discover either something so simple it cannot be explained further, or something so complex it cannot be explained at all (I&#8217;m thinking here of quantum mechanics, for instance.)</p>
<p>Thanks for this!</p>
<p>Joe</p>
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		<title>By: WRT: Writer Response Theory  &#187; Blog Archive   &#187; i.plot therefore i.write</title>
		<link>http://grandtextauto.org/2004/10/04/katherine-hayles-computational-spaces/comment-page-1/#comment-73166</link>
		<dc:creator>WRT: Writer Response Theory  &#187; Blog Archive   &#187; i.plot therefore i.write</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Oct 2005 05:37:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] ecking. 	i.plot is a combination search engine and semantic web with a bit of I Ching-like possibility space thrown in.   The work  builds on a previous p [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Keith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Keith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Oct 2004 18:22:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To make any sense of this you should try the Postmodernism Generator!

http://www.elsewhere.org/cgi-bin/postmodern</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To make any sense of this you should try the Postmodernism Generator!</p>
<p><a href="http://www.elsewhere.org/cgi-bin/postmodern" rel="nofollow">http://www.elsewhere.org/cgi-bin/postmodern</a></p>
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		<title>By: WRT: Writer Response Theory - Mondo 2000</title>
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		<dc:creator>WRT: Writer Response Theory - Mondo 2000</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;pingback /&gt;[...] idea being articulated here resembles N. Katherine Hayles&#039; very recent description of the &lt;a href=&quot;http://grandtextauto.org/2004/10/04/katherine-hayles-computational-spaces/trackback/&quot;&gt;Computational Universe&lt;/a&gt;.  But in the language, there&#039;s [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<pingback />[...] idea being articulated here resembles N. Katherine Hayles&#8217; very recent description of the <a href="http://grandtextauto.org/2004/10/04/katherine-hayles-computational-spaces/trackback/">Computational Universe</a>.  But in the language, there&#8217;s [...]</p>
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