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	<title>Comments on: Dead Art</title>
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		<title>By: andrew</title>
		<link>http://grandtextauto.org/2004/03/12/dead-art/comment-page-1/#comment-954</link>
		<dc:creator>andrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Funny thing is, for most E3 attendees (and the general public for that matter), if they hear or read the term &quot;video game art&quot;, would probably in fact think of &quot;artwork from videogames&quot; before they&#039;d think of &quot;(gallery) art that references video games&quot; &#8212; if they even know the latter exists yet.  



In video game production, of course, all texture maps, backgrounds, etc. are referred using the term &lt;i&gt;art&lt;/i&gt;, and the people who make them are called artists (2D or 3D artists).  This sometimes includes modellers, who are often just called modellers.



But, as your post makes clear, now that gallery art about video games exists, the term &lt;i&gt;art&lt;/i&gt; in the context of games has become even muddier.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Funny thing is, for most E3 attendees (and the general public for that matter), if they hear or read the term &#8220;video game art&#8221;, would probably in fact think of &#8220;artwork from videogames&#8221; before they&#8217;d think of &#8220;(gallery) art that references video games&#8221; &mdash; if they even know the latter exists yet.  </p>
<p>In video game production, of course, all texture maps, backgrounds, etc. are referred using the term <i>art</i>, and the people who make them are called artists (2D or 3D artists).  This sometimes includes modellers, who are often just called modellers.</p>
<p>But, as your post makes clear, now that gallery art about video games exists, the term <i>art</i> in the context of games has become even muddier.</p>
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		<title>By: noah</title>
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		<dc:creator>noah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe someone should suggest to the E3 organizers that next year they also have an exhibition of &quot;art video games.&quot; I&#039;d do it myself, but my connection there is of the FoaF variety. I think there&#039;s got to be someone with a closer connection who agrees. Maybe even a budding curator...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe someone should suggest to the E3 organizers that next year they also have an exhibition of &#8220;art video games.&#8221; I&#8217;d do it myself, but my connection there is of the FoaF variety. I think there&#8217;s got to be someone with a closer connection who agrees. Maybe even a budding curator&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Ian Bogost</title>
		<link>http://grandtextauto.org/2004/03/12/dead-art/comment-page-1/#comment-956</link>
		<dc:creator>Ian Bogost</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ugh, what a disappointment. My inclination would just be to crash their exhibit, or to set up a roving video game art exhbit on the floor... I have this perverse image of a 1920s cigarette girl/booth babe carrying around a box with laptop on which the real videogame art would be played. Something of a satire of both the games and the show...  



This issue also seems to touch on that unending question of art vs. design.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ugh, what a disappointment. My inclination would just be to crash their exhibit, or to set up a roving video game art exhbit on the floor&#8230; I have this perverse image of a 1920s cigarette girl/booth babe carrying around a box with laptop on which the real videogame art would be played. Something of a satire of both the games and the show&#8230;  </p>
<p>This issue also seems to touch on that unending question of art vs. design.</p>
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		<title>By: B. Rickman</title>
		<link>http://grandtextauto.org/2004/03/12/dead-art/comment-page-1/#comment-957</link>
		<dc:creator>B. Rickman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Based on the entry requirements (open to Academy Members and E3 Exhibiting Companies, work from published or soon to be published games), it looks like they&#039;re looking more for computer game movie posters than anything else.  Sounds very... forgettable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Based on the entry requirements (open to Academy Members and E3 Exhibiting Companies, work from published or soon to be published games), it looks like they&#8217;re looking more for computer game movie posters than anything else.  Sounds very&#8230; forgettable.</p>
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		<title>By: michael</title>
		<link>http://grandtextauto.org/2004/03/12/dead-art/comment-page-1/#comment-958</link>
		<dc:creator>michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Funny thing is, for most E3 attendees (and the general public for that matter), if they hear or read the term &quot;video game art&quot;, would probably in fact think of &quot;artwork from videogames&quot; before they&#039;d think of &quot;(gallery) art that references video games&quot; &#8212; if they even know the latter exists yet.&lt;/i&gt;



The kind of experimental game work I&#039;m thinking of is broader than &quot;gallery art that references video games&quot;. I&#039;m thinking not just of pieces that offer a critical reflection on game culture, but pieces that expand the notion of game (e.g. the Newsgaming work, The Howard Dean Game, Facade). 



Yes, I know that the media assets in games are called art. But if they wanted to make a commercial game art show, they should include music, sound effects, animation, voice acting, etc., not just images rendered from games. Hanging big glossy prints from games on the wall plays at the &quot;high art game&quot; in its most traditional form (ignoring the conceptual dimension of most contemporary art) while doing a disservice to the full range of creative production in commercial game art.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Funny thing is, for most E3 attendees (and the general public for that matter), if they hear or read the term &#8220;video game art&#8221;, would probably in fact think of &#8220;artwork from videogames&#8221; before they&#8217;d think of &#8220;(gallery) art that references video games&#8221; &mdash; if they even know the latter exists yet.</i></p>
<p>The kind of experimental game work I&#8217;m thinking of is broader than &#8220;gallery art that references video games&#8221;. I&#8217;m thinking not just of pieces that offer a critical reflection on game culture, but pieces that expand the notion of game (e.g. the Newsgaming work, The Howard Dean Game, Facade). </p>
<p>Yes, I know that the media assets in games are called art. But if they wanted to make a commercial game art show, they should include music, sound effects, animation, voice acting, etc., not just images rendered from games. Hanging big glossy prints from games on the wall plays at the &#8220;high art game&#8221; in its most traditional form (ignoring the conceptual dimension of most contemporary art) while doing a disservice to the full range of creative production in commercial game art.</p>
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		<title>By: B. Rickman</title>
		<link>http://grandtextauto.org/2004/03/12/dead-art/comment-page-1/#comment-959</link>
		<dc:creator>B. Rickman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Michael, you make an interesting point, which I would interpret in this way: commercial game designers are looking for exposure outside of gamer culture.  If the public&#039;s perception of &quot;high art&quot; is that it is something which is hung on a wall, the designers figure that this is what they should do to be recognized as true artists.



There are of course a couple of misconceptions here, the main one being the simplification of art making to the simple act of hanging something on a wall.  A second major misconception is that the &quot;art&quot; of game design/E3 should follow the model of traditional art exhibition, that it should be hung on a wall because that is what you do with art.  Objects like  Brody Condon&#039;s foam sculpture of John Carmack, as awful as it is (and it is really, truly awful), are far more representative of what the art of gamer culture should be.  But I, personally, am quite skeptical that an industry as motivated by profit as the game industry is can have a legitimate art culture, just as I feel that there is little legitimacy to &quot;game studies&quot; as it is currently practiced.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Michael, you make an interesting point, which I would interpret in this way: commercial game designers are looking for exposure outside of gamer culture.  If the public&#8217;s perception of &#8220;high art&#8221; is that it is something which is hung on a wall, the designers figure that this is what they should do to be recognized as true artists.</p>
<p>There are of course a couple of misconceptions here, the main one being the simplification of art making to the simple act of hanging something on a wall.  A second major misconception is that the &#8220;art&#8221; of game design/E3 should follow the model of traditional art exhibition, that it should be hung on a wall because that is what you do with art.  Objects like  Brody Condon&#8217;s foam sculpture of John Carmack, as awful as it is (and it is really, truly awful), are far more representative of what the art of gamer culture should be.  But I, personally, am quite skeptical that an industry as motivated by profit as the game industry is can have a legitimate art culture, just as I feel that there is little legitimacy to &#8220;game studies&#8221; as it is currently practiced.</p>
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		<title>By: Eternal Gaze: exploring advanced moving image</title>
		<link>http://grandtextauto.org/2004/03/12/dead-art/comment-page-1/#comment-960</link>
		<dc:creator>Eternal Gaze: exploring advanced moving image</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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