Comments on: That Darn Conundrum http://grandtextauto.org/2003/10/22/that-darn-conundrum/ A group blog about computer narrative, games, poetry, and art. Wed, 13 Jan 2010 15:44:40 -0800 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.5 hourly 1 By: Can we turn the art of story over to the players? — Justin Gibbs http://grandtextauto.org/2003/10/22/that-darn-conundrum/comment-page-1/#comment-485270 Can we turn the art of story over to the players? — Justin Gibbs Tue, 05 May 2009 01:21:43 +0000 /?p=105#comment-485270 [...] try to create one. Not only it is a technical and interface problem, it’s a logic problem (That Darn Conundrum). But beyond even that, as an artist you have no idea where to begin. You know how to move an [...] [...] try to create one. Not only it is a technical and interface problem, it’s a logic problem (That Darn Conundrum). But beyond even that, as an artist you have no idea where to begin. You know how to move an [...]

]]> By: What is immersive story? | Immersive Story http://grandtextauto.org/2003/10/22/that-darn-conundrum/comment-page-1/#comment-427848 What is immersive story? | Immersive Story Fri, 27 Feb 2009 15:38:40 +0000 /?p=105#comment-427848 [...] - Andrew Stern [...] [...] - Andrew Stern [...]

]]> By: What is interactive story? | Immersive Story http://grandtextauto.org/2003/10/22/that-darn-conundrum/comment-page-1/#comment-417841 What is interactive story? | Immersive Story Tue, 17 Feb 2009 08:28:41 +0000 /?p=105#comment-417841 [...] - Andrew Stern [...] [...] - Andrew Stern [...]

]]> By: Further reading on narrative construction « Emily Short’s Interactive Fiction http://grandtextauto.org/2003/10/22/that-darn-conundrum/comment-page-1/#comment-308713 Further reading on narrative construction « Emily Short’s Interactive Fiction Sat, 16 Aug 2008 14:54:06 +0000 /?p=105#comment-308713 [...] comes back to traditional issues we’ve seen before: people re-discovering, for instance, the conflict between freedom, agency, and story. A lot of the techniques suggested (sandboxes where the player has to make his own story; branching [...] [...] comes back to traditional issues we’ve seen before: people re-discovering, for instance, the conflict between freedom, agency, and story. A lot of the techniques suggested (sandboxes where the player has to make his own story; branching [...]

]]> By: Grand Text Auto » GTxA Symposium: Future Directions http://grandtextauto.org/2003/10/22/that-darn-conundrum/comment-page-1/#comment-134451 Grand Text Auto » GTxA Symposium: Future Directions Fri, 19 Oct 2007 01:48:39 +0000 /?p=105#comment-134451 [...] ama before that — in addition to that potential, digital fiction can be a very hard, very challenging, and therefore very frustrating and rewarding problem to work on. Ther [...] [...] ama before that — in addition to that potential, digital fiction can be a very hard, very challenging, and therefore very frustrating and rewarding problem to work on. Ther [...]

]]> By: IF in the ACM literature, Part Two « Emily Short’s Interactive Fiction http://grandtextauto.org/2003/10/22/that-darn-conundrum/comment-page-1/#comment-120911 IF in the ACM literature, Part Two « Emily Short’s Interactive Fiction Tue, 14 Aug 2007 22:14:05 +0000 /?p=105#comment-120911 [...] hit two of an important triad in game design: agency, freedom, story. (Grand Text Auto had a long discussion on the challenge of writing all three of these into a game. It& [...] [...] hit two of an important triad in game design: agency, freedom, story. (Grand Text Auto had a long discussion on the challenge of writing all three of these into a game. It& [...]

]]> By: Grand Text Auto » Some Joe Schmo Was First to Experience True Interactive Drama http://grandtextauto.org/2003/10/22/that-darn-conundrum/comment-page-1/#comment-108246 Grand Text Auto » Some Joe Schmo Was First to Experience True Interactive Drama Tue, 13 Feb 2007 21:14:06 +0000 /?p=105#comment-108246 [...] enacting this vision of interactive drama, at least once, for a single person. I’ve alluded to the similarities between reality TV and interactive drama in the past, [...] [...] enacting this vision of interactive drama, at least once, for a single person. I’ve alluded to the similarities between reality TV and interactive drama in the past, [...]

]]> By: Sean http://grandtextauto.org/2003/10/22/that-darn-conundrum/comment-page-1/#comment-456 Sean Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000 /?p=105#comment-456 <i>Freedom, agency, story -- pick two.</i> That is an awesome insight. (I may have seen some of the individual A+B means no C, but I don't think I've seen the 2 of 3 before.) Freedom, agency, story — pick two.

That is an awesome insight. (I may have seen some of the individual A+B means no C, but I don’t think I’ve seen the 2 of 3 before.)

]]> By: Chris Crawford http://grandtextauto.org/2003/10/22/that-darn-conundrum/comment-page-1/#comment-457 Chris Crawford Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000 /?p=105#comment-457 Good points! I too like the "freedom, agency, story -- pick two" as a clean, elegant expression of the conundrum, although I do not believe that the correct value is 2.00. My guess is that it's somewhere in the range 2.3 - 2.6. So my clunky restatement of your elegant version is "freedom, agency, story -- pick 2.45± 0.15." I'm writing a book on interactive storytelling and I intend to write a chapter on Facade once I figure it out. In the meantime, I really should be spending more time here. Chris Good points! I too like the “freedom, agency, story — pick two” as a clean, elegant expression of the conundrum, although I do not believe that the correct value is 2.00. My guess is that it’s somewhere in the range 2.3 – 2.6. So my clunky restatement of your elegant version is “freedom, agency, story — pick 2.45± 0.15.”

I’m writing a book on interactive storytelling and I intend to write a chapter on Facade once I figure it out. In the meantime, I really should be spending more time here.

Chris

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